Vanilla?!?! (... & coffee too!!)

diver-dad · Post by **diver-dad** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:54 pm

"Wash. Scientists Say Holiday Baking Has Impact on Puget Sound; Waterway Is Flavored by Vanilla"

Story at http://hamptonroads.cox.net/cci/newsnat ... atearticle

(one of these days I'll learn how to make links)

Tom Nic · Post by **Tom Nic** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:10 pm

Wow... I thought you were kidding at first...

Who has the time or money to research this?!? ](*,)

Very funny... your tax dollars at work!

Burntchef · Post by **Burntchef** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:57 pm

they found traces of caffiene at depths of over 600 feet, crazy just crazy

GillyWeed · Post by **GillyWeed** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:01 pm

So do you think that fishies can get addicted to the caffiene like we can.. I know my cat always trys to get into my frappuccino.. I think he's kind of addicted to it.. Do they get caffiene headaces like I do if people stop drinking as much coffee? hmmmm

Burntchef · Post by **Burntchef** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:10 pm

the caffiene might explain the behavior of those dag nab it seals at cove 2 lately ](*,) why wont they leave me alone

girldiver · Post by **girldiver** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:48 pm

Well, considering that the location of my current home was chosen based STRONGLY on the proximity of the nearest Starbucks (3 within a one block radius!!!)...maybe this study explains my love of diving! And why I prefer to dive in the Sound more than warmer waters.

Hmmm...

diver-dad · Post by **diver-dad** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:06 pm

girldiver wrote: Well, considering that the location of my current home was chosen based STRONGLY on the proximity of the nearest Starbucks (3 within a one block radius!!!)...maybe this study explains my love of diving! And why I prefer to dive in the Sound more than warmer waters. ...

You know, that's kind of disturbing when you consider all of that stuff was "filtered" through people first!! Eeeew!!

Neutral Buoyancy · Post by **Neutral Buoyancy** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:59 pm

You know, that's kind of disturbing when you consider all of that stuff was "filtered" through people first!! Eeeew!!

That's what I'm talking about!!! Don't be to concerned about the vanilla.

Dolphin_Diver · Post by **Dolphin_Diver** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:52 pm

we can look at it this way. the water wont taste so salty. might taste pretty good if theres enough vanilla in it.

Sergeant Pepper · Post by **Sergeant Pepper** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:14 am

Makes me ask the question that I have apparently naivley asked myself multiple times. Is there no better solution to waste management than dumping "treated" sewage into our water ways, or just no cheaper solution.

Tom Nic · Post by **Tom Nic** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:37 pm

Sergeant Pepper wrote:Makes me ask the question that I have apparently naivley asked myself multiple times. Is there no better solution to waste management than dumping "treated" sewage into our water ways, or just no cheaper solution.

DEFINITELY no cheaper solution..

How much to want to pay for the old john in your abode? a surcharge per bathroom, perhaps? Pay toilets anyone? ](*,)

Sergeant Pepper · Post by **Sergeant Pepper** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:01 pm

Unfortunately, this isn't the only circumstance where the wrong thing has been done in the name of money. I could mention numerous current events that would spawn a post thread of angry responses, but I'll refrain. Very sad.

Grateful Diver · Post by **Grateful Diver** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:00 am

Sergeant Pepper wrote:Makes me ask the question that I have apparently naivley asked myself multiple times. Is there no better solution to waste management than dumping "treated" sewage into our water ways, or just no cheaper solution.

Well, considering that a city the size of Seattle creates about 30 to 50 million gallons of wastewater every day, what would you suggest we do with it?

You can't just make it go away, you know ... if there were a better solution, I know a bunch of people who'd like to hear about it. I work for the folks who run the wastewater treatment plants in the City of Tacoma, so I know a little about the process. It ain't cheap, and since the ratepayers foot the bill, I don't think they decided on this solution for financial reasons.

So if a better solution can be had for say, 10x as much as you currently pay ... would you be willing to watch your utility bills go up by that amount?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Sergeant Pepper · Post by **Sergeant Pepper** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:43 pm

Grateful Diver wrote:
Sergeant Pepper wrote:Makes me ask the question that I have apparently naivley asked myself multiple times. Is there no better solution to waste management than dumping "treated" sewage into our water ways, or just no cheaper solution.
Well, considering that a city the size of Seattle creates about 30 to 50 million gallons of wastewater every day, what would you suggest we do with it?

You can't just make it go away, you know ... if there were a better solution, I know a bunch of people who'd like to hear about it. I work for the folks who run the wastewater treatment plants in the City of Tacoma, so I know a little about the process. It ain't cheap, and since the ratepayers foot the bill, I don't think they decided on this solution for financial reasons.

So if a better solution can be had for say, 10x as much as you currently pay ... would you be willing to watch your utility bills go up by that amount?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

I know, it's just disappointing. However, as a mechanical engineer, I can't beleive there are not better fail safe options for not dumping untreated sewage during a severe power outage.

Grateful Diver · Post by **Grateful Diver** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:14 pm

Sergeant Pepper wrote: I know, it's just disappointing. However, as a mechanical engineer, I can't beleive there are not better fail safe options for not dumping untreated sewage during a severe power outage.

Basically how it works is this ... for the smaller stations, backup power is diesel generators. But those are limited because they just don't make diesel gensets big enough to handle the larger pumping stations ... and certainly not the treatment plants. There's just too much equipment to run for the treatment process. So they run the plants off of two or three separate feeds. In theory, if a feed goes down (which would black out major portions of a city), the likelihood of the second or third feed going down at the same time are very small.

During this storm, the outages were so widespread that's what happened. When the power goes out, the water doesn't stop flowing. It HAS to go somewhere ... and if not into Puget Sound, it'll flow into basements or even flood streets and make an unholy mess that'll be way less healthy for the population than dumping it into the Sound.

People take these processes too much for granted ... I'd be willing to bet that while the power was out people were still using the bathroom and flusing their toilets just like normal.

These facilities are designed around criteria that will keep them running under all but the most dire of circumstances ... this storm was one of those circumstances.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Northwest Dive Club

Vanilla?!?! (... & coffee too!!)

Vanilla?!?! (... & coffee too!!)

Caffiene addict

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