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This is embarrassing...

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:34 pm
by archisgore
but how do you sign numbers greater than 5 with one hand?

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:35 pm
by archisgore
Aside from the trivial answer of using a pen in one hand and writing it. :-P

(I'm sure there's some imminent smartass comments.)

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:44 pm
by spatman

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:44 pm
by BillZ

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:31 am
by LCF
Didn't Koos go through that in Fundies? I'm surprised.

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:13 am
by Linedog
Or, 5 fingers 5 fingers 3 fingers equals 13.

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:31 am
by Jeremy
LCF wrote:Didn't Koos go through that in Fundies? I'm surprised.
I don't think he does. I learned it from Mercer in Bonaire while doing deco drills.

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:40 am
by kdupreez
Ruh-Roh… Archis and Jeremy.. Someone didnt read his "required reading" materials for fundies…

GUE Fundamentals for Better Diving - by Jarrod Jablonski.. Chapter 3, under the Communication heading on Page 47..

But no, we dont specifically cover all diving and numeric signals as its assumed you have at least read the materials and if you had no clue and asked, it will be covered..

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:07 am
by mpenders
I teach the same technique during OW classes - figuring that if you're planning on diving in the NW, you'll likely encounter night-diving conditions, regardless of time of day. Easier to get the new divers used to signaling with one hand from the get-go, then progress to shining a light on it with their other when it becomes necessary.

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:27 pm
by kdupreez
yup - i learnt this in my OW class here pnw too and also teach it that way in OW.

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:17 pm
by Grateful Diver
... it's also a handout in my AOW class ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:22 am
by LCF
Peter teaches that system in OW, too.

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:09 am
by archisgore
Yeah ok, so that's what I always thought it was. I had a confused buddy one of these days, and that confused me. I wanted to take him down to 70, and he read that as 20.

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:12 am
by archisgore
About Fundies..... the only required prep I got for Fundies, was experienced advice from Jeremy - to impress Koos, flip him the bird at 100', and do a CESA to the surface. Did I miss something?

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:37 pm
by Jeremy
archisgore wrote:About Fundies..... the only required prep I got for Fundies, was experienced advice from Jeremy - to impress Koos, flip him the bird at 100', and do a CESA to the surface. Did I miss something?
Say "ahhhhhhhhhh" all the way to the surface...

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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:56 pm
by archisgore
So that's why Koos was mad. He didn't head the Ahhhhhhh.

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 2:12 pm
by Peter Guy
Funny -- I had another instructor criticize me for teaching the one hand numbering system in my open water class. He said it was just confusing.

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:21 pm
by oldsalt
Peter Guy wrote:Funny -- I had another instructor criticize me for teaching the one hand numbering system in my open water class. He said it was just confusing.
As much effort as the certifying agencies have made to standardize hand signals, they are anything but standard. I found changes over time, regional differences, and some just seem quirky. When diving with someone new, discussing and agreeing on hand signals should be part of the pre-dive procedure, IMHO.
I learned that by screwing it up.
-Curt :rawlings:

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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:27 am
by Mortuus
Jeremy wrote:
archisgore wrote:About Fundies..... the only required prep I got for Fundies, was experienced advice from Jeremy - to impress Koos, flip him the bird at 100', and do a CESA to the surface. Did I miss something?
Say "ahhhhhhhhhh" all the way to the surface...
IIRC, it was actually "Brahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" he was supposed to say.. :rjack:

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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:09 am
by Grateful Diver
Peter Guy wrote:Funny -- I had another instructor criticize me for teaching the one hand numbering system in my open water class. He said it was just confusing.
Many instructors ... and some agencies ... approach OW training as though they're teaching idiots. I've found that most OW students are capable of amazing things if you just treat them as though they're capable of learning those things ... and take the time to explain them clearly.

Then again, you have to understand it before you can teach it to someone else ... and a lot of the confusion that some instructors face from their students stems from their own confusion understanding what they're trying to teach ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:03 pm
by JayO
I didn't know there was another way other than one hand.

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:41 pm
by johnclark
Now I'm worried what else Archis missed! =D

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 9:54 am
by Skyflyer
It might be of interest to some that these hand signals have been used by aviators for many decades (perhaps even predating WWII) to pass number information from the cockpit to ground crew, fuelers, gate agents and rampers.