I'm in.Sounder wrote:With an order for 25 shirts or more, we can print them fairly cheaply. :angry:
I like the concept a lot - I've even got a design improvement suggestion.
So what's the design improvement idea?
-Ben
I'm in.Sounder wrote:With an order for 25 shirts or more, we can print them fairly cheaply. :angry:
I like the concept a lot - I've even got a design improvement suggestion.
No dive flag. :angry:Jenbowes wrote:Ditto and ditto.
Should it have the dive flag somewhere on it, too?
Grateful Diver wrote: Silty the Seal would work better ... anybody who's dived with the damn things will know why ...
... Bob (Grateful Diver)
Okay, okay, quit yer yellin'!! -----> :angry:No dive flag. :angry:
It's a secret.Jenbowes wrote:So what ARE your suggestions?
It's a secret.
I have no idea... That IS the $$$ question. I think making it "cool" might help and getting more instructors to teach it (and do it themselves) would be great too. Start small, like with our little group, and then branch out from there. Encourage NWDC members who aren't quite there yet to check out the thread and the videos.Scubak wrote:Make that three on the shirt...pretty cool!
But...
Sure, even the most non-silting divers have a rogue fin kick here and there, but it doesn't silt the place out... it's more of a quick localized "poof" followed by "ah crap, I stirred up the bottom" thought. Other divers, often with as many or even more dives, blow out the dive site without regard to anyone but themselves.
What do you do about the divers that you tell them and show them their silt storm and they just shrug like they don't give a
S%#t?
That is the million dollar question cuz I hate the silt!
K
It's more than Cove 2 on a weekend. Yes, that's a given and it's due to students which is forgiven.gcbryan wrote:I actually wonder how big a problem this is? My feelings are a bit like Rjack in that it's hard to expect to go to Cove 2 during the day on the weekends and expect there to be no silt.
Even if everyone was silt free by the time they hit 50 dives Cove 2 would still be full of silt on the weekends. Most people who dive regularly don't silt. They have regular dive buddies and regular dive buddies are the ones to speak with them about it.
If you go up to someone you don't know in the parking lot and start to tell them how to dive without silting of course they are going to say they don't care. It's a face saving response and it's human nature.
Are there really that many divers who silt who dive regularly? I've had a few buddies who were photographers who weren't as silt free as they could have been while taking pictures but other than that I only see mass silt outs at Cove 2 and that's mainly due to newer divers trying to get experience I'm sure. It's just that there is a non-ending supply of newer divers there.
My suggestions is to quit doing the same dives over and over and you won't constantly run into silt outs. Even at Cove 2 if you don't make every dive a trip to the I-beams followed by a trip to the Honeybear you won't have this problem as often unless the harbor seals are out.
I see the silt trails at Cove 2 and my dive plan with my buddies before the dive usually starts with we will go where ever the hordes of divers aren't.
That works pretty well.
I think in some cases its laziness, or lack of emphasis, of course.Sounder wrote:My problem is Cove 2 on a Tuesday during the day when my buddy and I are hanging out somewhere and get a fly-by from an atomic silt bomber who is just lazy and sloppy.
This isn't about students or classes, this is about divers who should know better and who have the experience to learn not to do it.
Saying someone who doesn't like silt should go somewhere else is inappropriate - why should I have to go somewhere else because someone is being disrespectful? Perhaps the rude, lazy, silt-bombing diver should go somewhere less popular so other people don't have to deal with the mess the inconsiderate silting divers cause. In other words, if you're going to wreck the place, go wreck it somewhere it doesn't have an effect on others... and yet then you're STILL faced with wrecking the place for the wildlife.
I am in on these shirts, for the untrained eye these shirts would be head scratchers. The dive flag would at least let people know what it represents. After thinking about it, the shirt would have people ask. in which you could have the opportunity to advertize our great sport (pass time, life).airsix wrote:Sounder wrote:With an order for 25 shirts or more, we can print them fairly cheaply. :angry:
I like the concept a lot - I've even got a design improvement suggestion.
I don't think this is about silt so much as it is about the flutter kicking diver who's fins always smack the bottom, wiping out little critter communities in the process. The bad buoyancy control is similar...dumping too much air and smacking down on the bottom.Pez7378 wrote:Seriously Doug.
Does the wildlife care if the visibility is 100' vs. 1' ? I don't think this should be a crusade against flutter kicking divers with no bouyancy control.
And we all know that's just plain dangerous :shootself:Pez7378 wrote:That's like telling them to dive EUP without a scooter.
Pez7378 wrote: Calling them lazy, sloppy etc only causes them to stop listening to you at a time when you really want them to listen, and see that there is a better way.
I like the idea.LCF wrote:In fact, an article for NWDN about propulsion techniques and silting might be something Rick wouldn't at all mind printing, and since I can't dive these days, I could take on writing one. Anybody got some good photographs of good trim, frog kicking and modified flutter?
I like this idea. Maybe some certain 'above the fold famous' divers could be used as models for some good anti-silting kick pictures. Extend their 15 minutes to 20?Tom Nic wrote:I like the idea.LCF wrote:In fact, an article for NWDN about propulsion techniques and silting might be something Rick wouldn't at all mind printing, and since I can't dive these days, I could take on writing one. Anybody got some good photographs of good trim, frog kicking and modified flutter?
I wonder if it would fly or if dive politics would kill it? Good luck Lynne - go for it!