Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Did two deep dives today with Bassman, Pogiguy, and Bucknaked at Three Tree. Great viz, lots of critters, and a trinket or two.
I am exhausted.
These deep tire gas dives are killing me.
Heck, even Mr. Naked is diving 'trox.
And I am getting old.
Time to sell some aluminum cans and buy some nitrox.
I am exhausted.
These deep tire gas dives are killing me.
Heck, even Mr. Naked is diving 'trox.
And I am getting old.
Time to sell some aluminum cans and buy some nitrox.
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
I still havent found nitrox to leave me any less tired, etc on a 3 or 4 dive day. Just better bottom time and less SI. My dive buddy on our 1:10m dives winds up needing 2.5 hours of SI diving on air. I'm about to just fill her tanks so I dont have to sit around for that long...
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
I noticed a big difference in how I felt at the end of the day when I switched to nitrox. Much less tired than when I dived air.
Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
They call it geezer gas for a reason.
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Same here. felt much less tired on cold pnw dives with nitrox..
Also, i switched to argon in the suit.. nitrox is a lot colder than air imho.
and cold dives tire me too.. I know, I know.. i'm a cold water wimp.
Also, i switched to argon in the suit.. nitrox is a lot colder than air imho.
and cold dives tire me too.. I know, I know.. i'm a cold water wimp.
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Jeff - I have noticed a HUGE difference for myself, and tested it in myself multiple times. I am convinced it is not psychological. And most of my young whippersnapper dive buddies have eventually come to a similar opinion.
Even for those like yourself who do not feel the difference there still has to be SOME effect of the residual nitrogen loading that is physiological - otherwise we could chuck our computers or stop calculating deco in our N2 addled brains.
Either way, I need to throw a tank or two of enriched air into the mix for my multiple dive days. Heck I bailed after dive 2 today. A nice 100 full of 36% would have been just what the doctor ordered.
Even for those like yourself who do not feel the difference there still has to be SOME effect of the residual nitrogen loading that is physiological - otherwise we could chuck our computers or stop calculating deco in our N2 addled brains.
Either way, I need to throw a tank or two of enriched air into the mix for my multiple dive days. Heck I bailed after dive 2 today. A nice 100 full of 36% would have been just what the doctor ordered.
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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Yup.Linedog wrote:They call it geezer gas for a reason.
Good suggestion on the argon Kees.
That and figure out where my suit has a slight leak.
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"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
"Anyone who thinks this place is over moderated is bat-crazy anarchist." -Ben, Airsix
"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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Thats a new one to me. (Nitrox being colder than Air)kdupreez wrote:
Also, i switched to argon in the suit.. nitrox is a lot colder than air imho.
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Helium I would guess yes.ljjames wrote:Thats a new one to me. (Nitrox being colder than Air)kdupreez wrote:
Also, i switched to argon in the suit.. nitrox is a lot colder than air imho.
Nitrox I am not so sure, but argon might help in either case.
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
I remember noticing the difference between nitrox and air. Even though I only dived open circuit for a year and a half or so. Warm, moist ccr gas at a constant P02 really spoils you, as far as that goes.
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Who you calling a geezer? LOL I dive only trox and It makes a big difference for me. It also makes me feel more relaxed in the water.
Not only for the dive but for getting back up the hill afterwards! When I find myself out of breath a few snorts off the reg and I settle right down.
Nitrox! Don't leave home without it!
Not only for the dive but for getting back up the hill afterwards! When I find myself out of breath a few snorts off the reg and I settle right down.
Nitrox! Don't leave home without it!
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It also makes me feel more relaxed in the water.
Great, any more relaxed and I'll be asleep!
Great, any more relaxed and I'll be asleep!
Pop tarts and gravy,
It's what's for breakfast.
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Tom, are you getting fills from the machine in the Arco parking lot again?
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Well I have yet to get my geezer gas cert, now where is that book I bought? IMHO I would think that just like many other things like alcohol, drugs, etc., how Nitrox effects anyone may be different for everyone. I would only think it would become a problem if when you are diving you fall asleep from the effects.
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
I switched to 32% last March after Fundies. Don't know if I feel less tired after just a dive or two in puget sound but I like being able to do quick repetitive dives and, being a single tank diver, virtually never incurring a deco obligation. Some dive shops give you good deals on Nitrox cards and make the first two fills free which helps offset the added cost.
I just did 8 dives at 8 different dive sites here in Bonaire yesterday. That was another reason to use 32%.
I just did 8 dives at 8 different dive sites here in Bonaire yesterday. That was another reason to use 32%.
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thats a good point, all my nitrox dives have been SCR.Joshua Smith wrote:I remember noticing the difference between nitrox and air. Even though I only dived open circuit for a year and a half or so. Warm, moist ccr gas at a constant P02 really spoils you, as far as that goes.
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Only in diving would someone spend thousands on equipment drive a hundred or more miles or fly a thousand miles, Pay a hundred bucks or more for a boat ride and bitch about the cost of a tank of trox!
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
I'd read some material (from DAN, maybe) that said there was no scientific research supporting the claims that one felt better/less tired/etc. after diving on Nitrox compared to air. I'm usually pretty skepitical, but all I can say is after I started diving Nitrox I called bullshit on that... maybe it's a difficult issue to measure/quantify, but whatever... IT'S TRUE. A long day of multiple dives in the cold would wipe me out. Now I'm just comfortably and happily tired. That's scientific, right?
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Don't be a hater. You know they have the best prices in town. In this economy you gotta do what you gotta do.renoun wrote:Tom, are you getting fills from the machine in the Arco parking lot again?
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"Warning: No dive masters are going to be there, Just a bunch of old fat guys taking pictures of fish." -Bassman
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+1
Even if it is only psychological. Better is better.
Even if it is only psychological. Better is better.
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Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
Besides adding a little 02 to the mix, extending your shallow stops a couple of minutes really helps my fatigue levels when doing Tire Gas dives. 2@30, 3@20, and hang at 10 until I'm cold/low on gas/bored, then slow up. Always plenty to see in the shallows when doing shore dives anyway. Helps to really stretch a tank out too.
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People still dive on plain air?!? I used to do 2 dives on air and then need a nap. I got certified for Nitrox and never looked back.
And Tom, the Tacoma Scuba Nitrox punch card is so worth it -- only $7 a fill.
And Tom, the Tacoma Scuba Nitrox punch card is so worth it -- only $7 a fill.
Kelly
Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
i think if you switch to both nitrox and argon you will feel much less fatigued after dives.. but that obviously will come at a cost.
Like Kelly said, Tacoma Scuba has punch card that makes it about the same as air..
Like Kelly said, Tacoma Scuba has punch card that makes it about the same as air..
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or spend 4k for a compressor, 2k for a scuba shack and power, few hundred in fittings, 225$ for AVO (bottle and gas) and its all low cost after that...
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- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
- I got a good squirt in my mouth
- I would imagine that there would be a large amount of involuntary gagging
- I don't know about you but I'm not into swallowing it
CCR discussion on Caustic Cocktails.
Re: Tire Gas and Bottle Hunting Are Killing Me
thermal conductivity and heat capacity of O2 and N2 are close enough to not make any practical difference, particularly between 21% and 32%. any difference between air and nitrox as suit inflation or breathing gas is going to be placebo effect.