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Solitude Diver wrote: Make sure you purchase several intermediate fittings to install and “open” the hose for in between dive use when not wearing the drysuit.
McMaster Carr is the place to order from.

I have both "valved" and "non-valved" Quick Disconnects; frankly, the important one you have a "no leak" valve on is the female side for the suit hose. The male side is nice, but it's more of a flow-restriction, if you will, and I found that as long as I'm careful unclicking, it's not a problem to not have the male part with a no-leak valve...and it's a LOT more convenient to not have to go looking for the no-valve female piece in the save a dive kit during the surface interval.

In any case, buy a few of them when you order, you'll lose them at an inopportune time :)
Just pay particular attention to make sure you have no kinks in the line once the suit “squeezes”. Not only uncomfortable, but high risk for “blowout” when using.
As much as I usually hate to say anything nice about Halcyon gear :prayer: this is one situation where their neoprene hose beats out the vinyl hoses that most other brands use. It's unbelievably kink resistant, which is a very good thing in this environment. Kinks are dangerous - if you don't "blow out," you run the risk of backpressure which can lead to a UTI and also just be very painful.

I'll third the Rochester Wideband recommendations. Good grip, and good grief when it comes time to get 'em off. I also find it helpful to snip the tip "hose" off a bit before putting the quick connect barb in place. That leaves less silicone which can kink...ideally that section of the cath is _just_ long enough to hold the hose barb without it rubbing and irritating you somewhere where it ought not to...
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Seth T. wrote:Checkout this article from DUI: 10 Things You Wanted to Know about Pee Valves, But Were Afraid to Ask. Pretty informative. \:D/
Wait a minute ... serious question about this article: it said "... Dehydration can contribute to the onset of DCS. A p-valve is the way to stay hydrated, stay comfortable in the water, and ..."

So how is taking a whizz going to keep you hydrated?? ... I don't get it.
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diver-dad wrote:
Seth T. wrote:Checkout this article from DUI: 10 Things You Wanted to Know about Pee Valves, But Were Afraid to Ask. Pretty informative. \:D/
Wait a minute ... serious question about this article: it said "... Dehydration can contribute to the onset of DCS. A p-valve is the way to stay hydrated, stay comfortable in the water, and ..."

So how is taking a whizz going to keep you hydrated?? ... I don't get it.
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most divers will intentionaly dehydrate themselves or at least wont drink enough water before a long dive since they cant pee, then breathing super dry air for a hour does not help. now that i have a p valve i drink water all i want with no worries. plus those last few minutes of bottom time waiting to clear at your stop and having to pee really sucks!
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diver-dad wrote:
Seth T. wrote:Checkout this article from DUI: 10 Things You Wanted to Know about Pee Valves, But Were Afraid to Ask. Pretty informative. \:D/
Wait a minute ... serious question about this article: it said "... Dehydration can contribute to the onset of DCS. A p-valve is the way to stay hydrated, stay comfortable in the water, and ..."

So how is taking a whizz going to keep you hydrated?? ... I don't get it.
:dontknow:

Well, if you know that you can pee at will after you get suited up, you will be more likely to hydrate prior to diving, right? ;)
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Well Dropped my suit off at NWSD today. Dan and Matt were good to remind me that I am voiding my warranty..... :violent3: Whatever......

I just wonder if I will experience the same excitement and euphoria the first time I pee under water as I did the first time I breathed under water?

Oh well, Dan promised he'd have the suit done by tomorrow......... :prayer: .................Okay maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part, it'll take about a week. I can't believe I'm so excited to urinate while diving! Now I got to contact this rochester fellow and order some extra extra small doohickey thingamabobs for my whatchamacallit. Hope they're not too big.
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Suit's done, Rochester sent me some samples, and I LOVE My Optical Inch :evil4:

Thanks everyone for all the advice. You guys are the best!

Now I'm ready to get serious about those twins! And I can dive at Mr. Higgins' park again. (Formerly known as EUP)
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"Man-scaping" definitely has it's benefits. :naka:

Did you go all out and buy the "Body Groom?" :supz:
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Sounder wrote:"Man-scaping" definitely has it's benefits. :naka:

Did you go all out and buy the "Body Groom?" :supz:
Of course I did! That was some stellar Advertising. Call me weak but I couldn't resist. I mean, Once I groomed around my.....BEEP and my......BEEP I knew I had made the right choice.
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... at LEAST an inch, sometimes more. Under Armour feels very different though... kinda nice. \:D/
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I know the guy in the Philips ad. He's a comedian from Renton. He lives down in LA now, but has family in Bonney Lake. Very funny guy to see live when he's up here!
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Nailer99 wrote:
diver-dad wrote:
Seth T. wrote:Checkout this article from DUI: 10 Things You Wanted to Know about Pee Valves, But Were Afraid to Ask. Pretty informative. \:D/
Wait a minute ... serious question about this article: it said "... Dehydration can contribute to the onset of DCS. A p-valve is the way to stay hydrated, stay comfortable in the water, and ..."

So how is taking a whizz going to keep you hydrated?? ... I don't get it.
:dontknow:

Well, if you know that you can pee at will after you get suited up, you will be more likely to hydrate prior to diving, right? ;)
Nailer & BurntChef - Got it - makes sense. Thanks guys...
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Uh........... :pale: Mr. Rochesters instructions for removal are a bit flawed......How long until the glue loses its grip :dontknow: #-o
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Lose the grip? Is this a wideband? BWAAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!

I'd suggest the roll and grimace method, or the pull and grimace method, or the "hmmm, I guess I could leave it on for a while" method. Hot showers help, but who wants to take a scalding hot shower after putting a bunch of nitrogen into their system.

Good luck.
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You know, Doug.......usually you're a little more helpful. :evil4:
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Dude, just take it like a man... you can whimper a bit, but no squealing. :pale:
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Suddenly, this whole Pee-Valve thing is becoming less interesting.
#-o :violent1:
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dude did i not reccomend the ultrflex for that very reason, ive been able to remove mine without any pain at all. good luck buddy and gods speed :pale:
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Burntchef wrote:dude did i not reccomend the ultrflex for that very reason, ive been able to remove mine without any pain at all. good luck buddy and gods speed :pale:
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Whoever invented the "WideBand" is an EVIL HORN WEARING TAIL HAVING PITCHFORK CARRYING SADISTIC SON OF A BI!(#!!!!!

Actually, it was probably a woman, tired of having to clean up urine at the nursing home all the time. :angryfire: So she woke up one day and on her way to work she said, I bet if I put ALOT more glue on it, I wouldn't have to clean up the sheets all the time. Besides, most of my patients are in their 90's so it's not like they're really ever going to use the thing again........... :axe: :axe:

This thing better be off before VALENTINES DAY!! Hahahahahahahahaha! :evil4:

BTW, I've got several samples of the Wideband catheters of all sizes if anyone is interested............
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Sounder wrote:... Under Armour feels very different though... kinda nice. \:D/
.........TMI!! :laughing3:
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Pez7378 wrote:
BTW, I've got several samples of the Wideband catheters of all sizes if anyone is interested............
Do you have larges? If so, can you drop them at nwsd at some point?
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dsteding wrote:
Pez7378 wrote:
BTW, I've got several samples of the Wideband catheters of all sizes if anyone is interested............
Do you have larges? If so, can you drop them at nwsd at some point?
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I've only got two 41mm, two 32mm two 29mm one 28mm freedom and two 25mm. What is it you know about these things that I don't? I'm terrified to try that again without proper adult supervision. I'm gonna take Howards advice and send away for some samples of the ultraflex. At least now I know what size to order once I find something that won't kill me.
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mattwave wrote:
dsteding wrote:
Pez7378 wrote:
BTW, I've got several samples of the Wideband catheters of all sizes if anyone is interested............
Do you have larges? If so, can you drop them at nwsd at some point?
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Pez7378 wrote:I've only got two 41mm, two 32mm two 29mm one 28mm freedom and two 25mm. What is it you know about these things that I don't? I'm terrified to try that again without proper adult supervision. I'm gonna take Howards advice and send away for some samples of the ultraflex. At least now I know what size to order once I find something that won't kill me.
I'd like the 32 mm ones, the 41 mm is downright stupid how big that thing is.

Honestly, I've gotten used to them. I roll them off after the dive, and it isn't that bad.

Anymore.

Probably have dulled the senses a bit, but what the hell.
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Pez7378 wrote: What is it you know about these things that I don't? I'm terrified to try that again without proper adult supervision.
I felt the same way, when I was trying the samples on for size. Turns out the stickiness of the glue goes away a bit after you've had it on for a few hours, at least somewhat goes away... makes it easier to remove, as does a hot shower. Using the right size makes matters a bit better, too - the too small ones are a pain to remove...

I also find the alcohol prep pads you use to prepare a site for injections helps remove the adhesive...roll a little, swab a little :) My cat's diabetic, and needs regular insulin, so I have a stash of those lying around, anyway.
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